I have spoken in the past about protecting victims of rape from harassment by their attackers, and people have suggested I was just “out there” on the topic.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/opinion/prewitt-rapist-visitation-rights/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Today, I found out that THIRTY ONE states grant rapists parental rights for child who are the product of their crime.
Nope…not making it up.
Didn’t pull it from my butt…fact.
So…if a woman DID become pregnant as a result of rape, and is forced to carry the pregnancy, the rapist is allowed visitation. He can demand shared custody.
He can EVEN block an adoption…all because he committed a crime of sexual violence against a woman. Would someone please tell me ONE OTHER CRIME you can commit, that will give you STATE SANCTIONED permission to fuck with your victim’s life? How are women to feel…handing their children over to a man that violated them?
If you don’t know how fucked up this is, you are an idiot…and I do not apologize for calling you one.
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That is truly beyond F’d up and really pisses me off. The hell??
Basically from the result of incest among royalty, we know that the genetic defects are pretty nasty. Why should children of incest be allowed to be born or forced to be born.
The fruit from rape is a bit problematic. Some of the fruit of rape can be pretty diverse and some groups close themselves from marrying outside their group. Another sort of interesting problem is the birth of children from “stolen” sperm. Should the “fathers” of such an incident be required to provide some sort of parental support?
There are some forgiving women, willing to continue the life of some of products of rape. I will bless them for their forgiveness and willingness to continue the life of children from rape. Women who decide not to have abortion is also free to choose too.
Still it is the decision of the woman to decide whether or not to give birth to any baby. The door gets open due to the three exceptions: Paramount is the right to abort if the life of the mother is endangered. Second is the right to abort children of incest. Third is the right to abort children from rape. It is a slippery slope to decide abortion for other reasons. The poor will be severely handicapped in life if forced to give birth to children but that is beyond the scope of this blog.
@Megabyyte - I do hope people do understand your outrage. I sort of know your situation and understand more of your outrage. Thank you for your response.
The ass that raped me told me that he wished I would have gotten pregnant so that I couldn’t just kick him out of my life. STATE SANCTIONED permission to fuck with your victim’s life is exactly right.
that is beyond description without using the foulest language. misogyny. i don’t understand why so many men are afraid of women and disrespectful toward women not to mention tone-deaf.
Yeah, this is what’s called “outdated mysogynistic laws made by old white men at least 50, if not more, years ago that need to be changed.” Oh, and also “Bible-based laws.”
I think this is the first time I’ve read anything you’ve written that I agree with completely. I’m glad I stopped by. And you’re right on all counts as far as I can tell.
@SerenaDante - you’re 95% correct. i have to point out two instances and i know there are far more. Romney’s running mate Paul Ryan is only 40 and he’s about as misogynist as it gets. i’m 58 and i’ve never held those beliefs. like i said though, you’re overall point is solid.
@TheSutraDude - I was referring to the people who actually put those laws in place.
@SerenaDante - understood. i was being a bit tongue-in-cheek but it’s true there are people like Ryan trying to put misogynist laws as bad or arguably worse into place today.
That is plain sick!
This is outrageous. These laws had to be passed by sociopaths (right word?). It is insane and incredibly cruel to the mother–who is a rape victim.
Awful law!!!!!!!
These rapist should be locked up and emasculated. Rape, molestation, and incest are way too common. I hear that one in four women will be raped at least once in their lifetime. This is a scandal.
frank
It is outrageous what is going on where even the State wouldn’t understand the plight of a woman who is raped. I really hope that the leaders will make this a issue to deal with in the coming election. And not get bombarded by the Republican agenda against abortion.
I’ve learned from my 54 years that not all that is just will appear so to those who think on a personal level about law and justice. How the law can look at this as compared to the average person’s views of it are two different things.
The law no longer looks at the awful crime after the child is born, but instead considers the child’s perspective and attempts to let this need of a parent over rule a persons need for vengeance.
These are laws are similar to insane Biblical Laws. The “punishment” for the rapist is that they must Marry the Victim?? Same kinda Sadistic Horseshit.
Akins words were soooo telling because much like Radical Islam…..there is the idea in the fundy mind that there IS time Rape is Justified therefore it isn’t really Rape.
Sick Mofo….Xtian and Muslim Fundys don’t realise just how much they have in common.
This is where a shot gun and truck for a trip to the deepest swamp to dump the body to take care of the problem. Laws are not to protect the victim but to protect the criminal. Rapists have no rights as far as I am concerned.
@brown_buffalo - I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want my child (if I had one) in the company of a rapist, even if that rapist was his/her father. How is that in the child’s best interests?
@Megabyyte - I agree…but today was the first I heard of it.
THIRTY ONE states…it blows my mind.
@PPhilip - A woman has to be a lot more than “forgiving”.
I can’t imagine anything more painful…or devastating than reliving a rape every day for nine months. No…yes I can. Finding that the man who raped me can CONTROL me…using the child he forced into my body, while commiting a crime.
@Erika_Steele - When will people get it right? You have to ask yourself…
@TheSutraDude - I am more worried about the women who don’t know how bad it can be….until it happens to them. Then they want to know WHY the laws are so messed up.
@EccentricSiren - Well in 31 states, that makes no difference, apparently.
@SerenaDante - A few days back, I got into a debate with a woman who was more concerned about “false allegations”, and then graduated to “Well everyone deserves a second chance”. Bullshit.
@Ikwa - Agreed.
@blonde_apocalypse - Nice of you to visit.
Nope we don’t agree on much…you surprised me too.
@ANVRSADDAY - Hi Frank….you won’t get an argument from me…but then, women are assumed to be lying…as demonstrated by Akin.
@angys_coco - I wish that were so…but the last few months have proven just how screwed up people’s mindsets are when the issue is rape.
@brown_buffalo - Vengeance? I was thinking of justice.
A woman should not be legally forced to see her attacker…much less hand her CHILD (if she chooses to have one) over to him.
Or do you think that is any kind of “just”?
@galadrial - Akin is an idiot. Way too many women do not file rape charges because they don’t want to go through the awful medical verification testing and then get raped in court again. Many rapist get away with it due to that.
The other side of the story is when DNA is available for testing, about 25% of the convicted rapists are innocent. The Innocent program was found this out. Wish I could site chapter and verse for you, but I think that is true. A few states require that children get DNA tested during a divorce. The numbers are low, but about 25 of the children born to the wife was not fathered by the husband. That is another story.
I just think that rape should be far more serious of a crime and issue, and victims should be protected in court. it is very rough on a gal victim trying to testify in criminal court.
@galadrial - I think the law looks at it from the child’s perspective.
@EccentricSiren - I’m certainly not going to try an defend the reasoning of the United states court system, especially when there is so much PC mud looking to drop on my head. I just dont subscribe to one act of crime as the ultimate definition of a person, or the ultimate victimization of another. Life goes on.
@galadrial - this concerns me too. it also concerns me that many young women have grown up with the rights they have which were hard fought for. there’s a rug beneath their feet they take for granted and republicans are trying hard to pull that rug out from under them. they’ll be shocked if they don’t keep that from happening. complacency on these issues is what republicans are hoping for and why they were infuriated at one of their own, Todd Akin, for letting their agenda out of the bag.
@galadrial - I don’t think they ever will. Not in our life time…not anytime soon. As long as there is the attitude that victims are responsible or can be responsible for their rapes, and that victims have to prove that they were raped, there will always be laws to “protect” these “fathers”.
@brown_buffalo - And putting a child in the hands of a rapist is good for whom?
@brown_buffalo - That’s nice…but since the rate if recidivism is high, I think the risk is too,.
http://sapac.umich.edu/article/198
And most rapists will have to register as sex offenders…to protect the public. These laws prevent mothers from offering that same protection…to their children. When law is not consistently applied, it generally fails to protect anyone.
@TheSutraDude - I know too many young women who take their freedoms for granted. When I was young, a girl could not easily get condoms. They were kept behind the counter, and if the Pharmacist decided he didn’t want you to have them, you were out of luck. Sometimes they would demand that you return with your PARENTS. The young women can’t imagine that kind of life…
this whole rape question is an evangelical outcry whereby they will do and say anything to protect their pro-life stance. the whole idea that evangelicals are willing to minimize rape to support pro-life should demonstrate how outrageous they are.
And if you are a stupid evangelical let me give you a biology lesson. When sperm goes into a vagina babies are made.
@galadrial - many young women and young men cannot fathom that. to many it probably seems as distant as The Cold War with the Soviets.
the anti-abortion and, i’ll call it what it is, the pro-rapist agenda is an official “plank” of the republican platform for their upcoming convention next week. republicans are trying to play it down but planks for conventions require the approval of the candidate, in this case Mitt Romney and it’s on the official list of their intentions if elected.
@brown_buffalo - A rapist hasn’t earned the right to parent their child conceived of rape. I don’t care what happens after the rape, the woman will suffer a lifetime for it. The rapist, should have no rights to the child at all, but he should pay child support.
@brown_buffalo - Life does go on, but at the same time, a rape (or even an attempted one) is an incredibly traumatic experience. Even if the rapist goes on to become the ultimate “good” person in the end, the person he victimized (and her offspring) should not be legally subject to seeing him again. It’s not about being PC, it’s about practicality. Even if one act does not define a person, it does give some indication of their character. And I would not want my hypothetical child in the presence of a rapist, even if he had supposedly changed. He can be a “good person” to his victims by leaving them alone, and if he wants to be a more hands on good person, he can do that with someone who has no connection to his past.
I would refuse to bear the child of a rapist. Have done so. Rapists are mutants that should be eradicated from the gene pool, not supported. Unbelievable that they should not only be allowed to have offspring but have relations with them as well! That’s just all kinds of wrong!
@Ampbreia - You are a remarkable woman. I could not have done that, and stayed sane.
@Ampbreia - so you’re just saying that if you’re a child of a rape victim you’re an awful child? Your genes are awful? Way to go lady…
@dewdroptear - Not necessarily. A child stands the chance of getting either parents’ genes. What’s more, said child is part of both parents. I wouldn’t want the connection to a rapist. I wouldn’t want to risk either that it might be like its father. I just couldn’t deal with facing that risk. Maybe you could. More power to you. But I’d never chance it and I’d certainly want no reminders of my rapist anywhere near me.
@Ampbreia - I can agree with your statement and I think, if I ever had to make such a terrible choice, I wouldn’t want the child either. I don’t think I would be capable of loving someone who comes from such a horrible deed..
@dewdroptear - She never said that.
But she has the right to NOT be controlled by a criminal. By giving rapists parental authority, you also are forcing women to live by their whims. And we don’t give that right to any other criminals.
@galadrial - I agree that the “father” should have absolutely no right except to pay for a child and a moms suffering. I just misread I guess, I’m sorry. I’m not a native english speaker
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